haring racist links and threats against women, you’d think in 2013 people wouldn’t want that kind of stuff around in a health community…thus my comment on Sisson’s thread.
I commented because I generally agree with him … but also brought up a point directly related to why he tweeted this in the first place.Generally most ppl are aware that sharing a link doesn’t imply a blanket endorsement. But when you share violent, racist or misogynistic links, that is a problem.
There’s a lil difference when the links are racist or violent towards women.
Racism and misogyny are not cool and should not be tolerated in a health community.
That was the problem.
At least Sisson hasn’t done such a thing.
This whole topic came from Jaminet, Jimmy Moore, Davis, McGuff sharing ‘controversial’ links. They linked David Duke, former Grand Wizard of KKK
Jaminet’s was less offensive, white nationalists nonetheless.
…and also was in reference to people linking to Nikoley, promoting his demeaning, bigoted blog posts.
This is the problem, get it?
Nikoley’s blog is a hotbed for inexcusable and offensive anti woman rhetoric. It’s hateful. The main post that brought all this up was not only demeaning, it was violent, with rape threats.
It should be called out and people made aware that so called ‘health’ gurus do this type of shit, which thankfully isn’t often.
This was all happening around the time of Stebenville trial. You and others are evading an important issue and shifting blame. This is what the media did after the verdict, blame the victim, praise the bully. This is why people call this ‘rape culture’ – because when threats (or violence) against women are made, you resort to blaming the victim not holding the aggressor accountable.
Paleodrama catalogs all these offensive links. Can’t delete all your regrets on the interwebz. You’re just defending your friends/gurus. Honorable, I must say, you’re a true friend. Rare indeed. Unfortunately, you’ll need to do better research for your next article as your claims are incorrect.
Hatred & internet threats should not be tolerated. People sharing these links will get called out, that’s a normal part of human societies. We keep each other in check.
Expect people to speak up if you’re (not you author, but the aforementioned Gurus) going to promote hate, sexism or racism. Pretty simple actually.
Antonio on a blog post that is rather hostile to this site because according to them, I deserve it because I “created a fake account.” That’s kind of exactly why Nikoley saying he was blackmailing people is laughable. He doesn’t need to because he makes stuff up.
What is now YEARS ago, when I was in my early twenties, I made a comment under a moniker in his comments. There was no fake account, there was a single comment. And no matter how dislikable a woman is, there is no reason to harass her, but the Adria Richards fiasco is a good reminder that no matter what a woman does, a mis-step is one that gives ALL women a bad name (this blog post says “What a way to make women look bad!”) and anything that happens to her is deserved. I don’t think even the worst woman in the world deserves to be harassed.
The good news is that positive changes are afoot, that some leaders recognize that there is an issue.
The hilarious irony is that the blogger of the post in question won’t link to a hate site because they don’t want to bring traffic there. It’s almost too hilarious to be true since I’ve been saying the same thing. But the site they won’t link to is this one. To some corners of the paleo community, this is a hate site, whereas sites with actual misogyny, racism, and other serious bigotry are fine to link to as long as they link to a specific non-hate post.
That’s what I wrote on Richard’ blog the first time he used misogynistic language to dismiss my arguments, that time against Kruse’s quackery. I think I was in the mindset of many other women who think “acting cool” is the best response. That as long as they are “cool” then men will refrain from bullying them.
But the truth was that it hurt me. That as much as I put on a tough persona, it was hard on me. And exactly why that kind of language is so detrimental to the paleosphere’s efforts to be intellectual, this abuse silences and excludes people.
Ironically, because of that and the even worse exchanges over the years, I am less and less phased by such languages, but at this point I’ve kind of just given up. He is right, I was respected paleo blogger, but acting cool in the fact of abuse and quackery stopped being worth it as some point, especially since over time I realized the paleo diet wasn’t all it was cracked up to be.
My health on paleo had been frail, so no wonder I didn’t stand up to myself at first. I was barely holding myself together. Paleo was abusive both physically and psychologically. There were times when I thought they were right, that I was just a “bitch” and I should shut up and stay in my place if I wanted to be included.
It makes me so sad to see other paleo bloggers lately admit they are suffering too, but blaming themselves instead of the diet, saying it’s not the diet’s fault. How do they even know that if they won’t try something else? It’s almost a form of Stockholm syndrome.
But armed with better health from a more rational evidence-based approach and no longer feeling the need for approval, I created this site. I get emails every single day from other ex-paleos whose health has gotten better because of rejecting paleo dogma, which I’ve realized is just as harmful as vegan dogma. But this isn’t about testimonials, that is not how to prove something right or wrong. I have a strong community of support, which allows me to get through things like people hatefully dissecting my personal life and threatening to rape and murder me. I’m not a victim, I’ve been through worse (though I refuse to engage in Oppression Olympics), but that doesn’t mean it is harmless.
I got right to work, dug up some worse dirt on Stefani, emailed her and just made sure she knew who the more capable bully was. Then I decided to be proactive. I got dirt on a bunch of others and made it clear to them that “denouncing me” would be far worse for them than acquiescing to Melissa’s demands. It wasn’t easy. Any idea how difficult it is to find dirt on Paul Jaminet? Well, at least Robb Wolf made up for it. That was an easy one.
IMHO this is B.S. He doesn’t need to dig up dirt on people, he just makes stuff up like he did with me. Maybe that’s the threat: that he’ll make up a story and his dim-witted followers will believe it.
Oh Jesus, I was dumb enough to try to make sense of the thing by reading a few of the related blog posts.
Isn’t paleo supposed to help with mental health? These guys don’t exactly set a good example.
I removed the link to http://freetheanimal.com/ from the FAQ. Regardless of the drama, the current front page of the blog is no use to newbies looking for info on the diet.
Reddit’s R/Paleo Community takes a stand against linking to a site that contains hate towards many groups of people. Lately in particular it’s women.
Hopefully Paul Jaminet, Mark Sisson, and Robb Wolf will realize that it’s not a good idea to send their readers to a site that hosts this type of hate.
"You can’t expect every paleo guru to read every post!" is the latest excuse for Paul Jaminet, Mark Sisson, Robb Wolf, and others continuing to do link exchanges with Richard Nikoley despite his site’s promotion of bigotry and misogyny.
The truth is that these people have been emailed about Richard’s behavior for over a year now. They don’t have to monitor comments or posts, it is well known what kind of “community” that site is.
This is behavior that is unacceptable is every community I’ve been a part of. But honestly I’ve never encountered the open hate and the blind eye to it that I’ve encountered in the paleo community. All the people who are targeted in question privately emailed the people complicit in the situation about it, starting over a year ago, before we went public about it.
As far as negotiation, the latest outburst is by far not even the most offensive thing on his blog. What is he going to do if I don’t stop posting about his idols? Dig himself into a hole further? He doesn’t have anything to negotiate with.
Leave my bros alone!
I see cunts. Melissa McEwen and Evelyn Kocur. Two sloppy Cunts. They want to harm good people. I can’t stand for it and I’m willing to pretend to be worse because of it. Keep in mind. If they died tonight, the Paleo community would be better off. This is a simple truth. The two cunts never account for that. I do. I actually sit and contemplate, sometimes over an American Spirit Yellow: If I bit the bullet today, would “Paleo” in general be more sad, or more happy?…
Fact remains. Everyone is better off with them dead. Fact. Go ahead and dispute it. And when yuo consider that rationally as you should, and the value of correcting errors (which I acknowledge cunts do), take a moment to consider how self-correcting the general community is over time. Look back to 2007, 2008, and see how far we came before the advent of cunts.